Comments for Rationally Thinking Out Loud http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com Just one guy thinking out loud on a the issues in religion, atheism, politics & science Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:27:03 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on “The Great Global Warming Swindle”? Shams & Lies by livinginabox http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/loooking-for-the-material-that-debunks-and-discriedits-the-great-global-warming-swindle/#comment-223 livinginabox Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:27:03 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/loooking-for-the-material-that-debunks-and-discriedits-the-great-global-warming-swindle/#comment-223 Girma is a troll. He has his own thread [cage] over at Deltoid. Girma uses logical fallacies to deceive Not all gases are GHGs, that is why most of the atmosphere has no effect on earth's radiated heat. Water vapour and CO2 have well defined infra-red properties. Therefore a tiny percentage is not necessarily irrelevant. For an example of why, just consider the Ebola virus. Would Girma want a few dozen of those apparently insignificant virus particles injected? By his logic, he would have nothing to fear. Of course, were such an event to happen the anticipated outcome is highly likely. No more Girma-Troll Girma is a troll.
He has his own thread [cage] over at Deltoid.

Girma uses logical fallacies to deceive
Not all gases are GHGs, that is why most of the atmosphere has no effect on earth’s radiated heat. Water vapour and CO2 have well defined infra-red properties. Therefore a tiny percentage is not necessarily irrelevant.
For an example of why, just consider the Ebola virus. Would Girma want a few dozen of those apparently insignificant virus particles injected? By his logic, he would have nothing to fear.
Of course, were such an event to happen the anticipated outcome is highly likely.

No more Girma-Troll

]]> Comment on ABC Australia’s Tony Jones and the “Great Global Warming Swindle” debate by Jeff Glassman http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/abc-australias-tony-jones-and-the-great-global-warming-swindle-debate/#comment-222 Jeff Glassman Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:38:56 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/abc-australias-tony-jones-and-the-great-global-warming-swindle-debate/#comment-222 Martin Durkin did surprisingly well, considering that he appeared not to have known the questions in advance (for he looked surprised, and he certainly could have prepared much better answers), and that he was up against well-researched and thoroughly-scripted challenges, complete with video clips from experts. Even if Durkin would have had experts at his side, the interview would have been unfair. He should have had the questions in advance and an opportunity to draft complete answers. Then there could have been an unscripted interview, journalist to journalist, if Tony could have been honest. Tony did a hatchet job. Swindle wasn't perfect, just right. Martin Durkin did surprisingly well, considering that he appeared not to have known the questions in advance (for he looked surprised, and he certainly could have prepared much better answers), and that he was up against well-researched and thoroughly-scripted challenges, complete with video clips from experts. Even if Durkin would have had experts at his side, the interview would have been unfair. He should have had the questions in advance and an opportunity to draft complete answers. Then there could have been an unscripted interview, journalist to journalist, if Tony could have been honest.

Tony did a hatchet job.

Swindle wasn’t perfect, just right.

]]> Comment on Debunking Global Warming Mythology by euandus2 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/debunking-global-warming-mythology/#comment-221 euandus2 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:33:26 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/debunking-global-warming-mythology/#comment-221 Even letting the debate continue, when our species may hang in the balance, says something about us. I argue that there is a certain presumptuousness surrounding our approach to how we are addressing global warming that goes well beyond simply having a short-term perspective. What if the cockroach has a more sustainable position? I recommend the following post: http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/climatic-presumption-what-is-the-forecast/ Even letting the debate continue, when our species may hang in the balance, says something about us. I argue that there is a certain presumptuousness surrounding our approach to how we are addressing global warming that goes well beyond simply having a short-term perspective. What if the cockroach has a more sustainable position? I recommend the following post: http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/climatic-presumption-what-is-the-forecast/

]]> Comment on References for Debating Science Deniers by Climate change Deniers are NOT from Mars « Greenfyre’s http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/references-for-debating-climate-change-skeptics/#comment-217 Climate change Deniers are NOT from Mars « Greenfyre’s Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:50:58 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/references-for-debating-climate-change-skeptics/#comment-217 [...] logic: Tens of thousands of studies and an unbelievable mountain of evidence across many disciplines is “just a [...] [...] logic: Tens of thousands of studies and an unbelievable mountain of evidence across many disciplines is “just a [...]

]]> Comment on Firing Line 1997: a Creationism vs. Evolution Debate by MonkeyMan http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/firing-line-1997-a-creationism-vs-evolution-debate/#comment-215 MonkeyMan Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:54:16 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/firing-line-1997-a-creationism-vs-evolution-debate/#comment-215 The ID side won because they have nothing to lose. The Science defenders where all excellent, especially Ken Miller. But even though none of the ID side had anything substantive to say (Behe stammered and sweated when asked to explain his "revolutionary" "theory"),... well, they proved that it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Basically Phillip Johnson and Berlinski had nothing to offer, but looked confident nonetheless. Berlinski repeatedly could not and would not answer any questions, but when he asked the ridiculous question of how many genetic changes it would take for a land mammal to become a whale (It'd be like trying to debunk astronomy by demanding on-the-spot the distance between two random stars). Eugenie Scott was unprepared while Ken Miller gave a perfectly good answer. But Berlinski acted all tired and annoyed as if he was struggling to maintain his patience as the pro-evolutionists kept dodging his "legitimate" questions. In the end, to the public, it looked like both sides were debating opposite but equal points of view. That's why I have to say that ID won. Twelve years later and people still think there's a scientific debate. Look forward to the next "Dark Age." The ID side won because they have nothing to lose.

The Science defenders where all excellent, especially Ken Miller. But even though none of the ID side had anything substantive to say (Behe stammered and sweated when asked to explain his “revolutionary” “theory”),… well, they proved that it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. Basically Phillip Johnson and Berlinski had nothing to offer, but looked confident nonetheless. Berlinski repeatedly could not and would not answer any questions, but when he asked the ridiculous question of how many genetic changes it would take for a land mammal to become a whale (It’d be like trying to debunk astronomy by demanding on-the-spot the distance between two random stars). Eugenie Scott was unprepared while Ken Miller gave a perfectly good answer. But Berlinski acted all tired and annoyed as if he was struggling to maintain his patience as the pro-evolutionists kept dodging his “legitimate” questions.

In the end, to the public, it looked like both sides were debating opposite but equal points of view. That’s why I have to say that ID won. Twelve years later and people still think there’s a scientific debate.

Look forward to the next “Dark Age.”

]]> Comment on Debunking Global Warming Mythology by jossel http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/debunking-global-warming-mythology/#comment-214 jossel Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:20:55 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/debunking-global-warming-mythology/#comment-214 why is it we need to study about global warming? what is the rationally about global warming? why is it we need to study about global warming?
what is the rationally about global warming?

]]> Comment on References for Debating Science Deniers by greenfyre http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/references-for-debating-climate-change-skeptics/#comment-213 greenfyre Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:48:47 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/references-for-debating-climate-change-skeptics/#comment-213 What Hank said ... What Hank said …

]]> Comment on References for Debating Science Deniers by Hank Roberts http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/references-for-debating-climate-change-skeptics/#comment-201 Hank Roberts Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:23:51 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/references-for-debating-climate-change-skeptics/#comment-201 Why did it take me this long to find your page? Are you setting the "linkedin" pointer and letting these bloggers know you've cited them? It'd be helpful! You do a thorough and detailed job. Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention. Why did it take me this long to find your page?
Are you setting the “linkedin” pointer and letting these bloggers know you’ve cited them? It’d be helpful! You do a thorough and detailed job.

Maybe I just haven’t been paying close enough attention.

]]> Comment on “The Great Global Warming Swindle”? Shams & Lies by climate criminal http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/loooking-for-the-material-that-debunks-and-discriedits-the-great-global-warming-swindle/#comment-196 climate criminal Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:54:25 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/loooking-for-the-material-that-debunks-and-discriedits-the-great-global-warming-swindle/#comment-196 Sorry if I missed it, but you may have missed http://www.ofcomswindlecomplaint.net/ which is a point-by-point analysis and rebuttal of TGGWS. Also a search of realclimate.org for swindle turns up the following links. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/ http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled-carl-wunsch-responds/ http://www.realclimate.org/?s=hornswoggled&langswitch_lang=cz Doubtless there will be a degree of overlap. Excellent debunking resource. Many of which I had not encountered before. Sorry if I missed it, but you may have missed http://www.ofcomswindlecomplaint.net/ which is a point-by-point analysis and rebuttal of TGGWS.

Also a search of realclimate.org for swindle turns up the following links.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/
http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled-carl-wunsch-responds/
http://www.realclimate.org/?s=hornswoggled&langswitch_lang=cz

Doubtless there will be a degree of overlap.

Excellent debunking resource. Many of which I had not encountered before.

]]> Comment on “The Great Global Warming Swindle”? Shams & Lies by From: Climate Denial Crock of the Week: The Big Swindle Movie « Rationally Thinking Out Loud http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/loooking-for-the-material-that-debunks-and-discriedits-the-great-global-warming-swindle/#comment-195 From: Climate Denial Crock of the Week: The Big Swindle Movie « Rationally Thinking Out Loud Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:03:19 +0000 http://rationallythinkingoutloud.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/loooking-for-the-material-that-debunks-and-discriedits-the-great-global-warming-swindle/#comment-195 [...] Thanks Peter (and Tim). I added this great video essay to my own list of debunking references : “The Great Global Warming Swindle”? Shams & Lies [...] [...] Thanks Peter (and Tim). I added this great video essay to my own list of debunking references : “The Great Global Warming Swindle”? Shams & Lies [...]

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